COUNTING DOWN THE STORM (Temporarily Unavailable) A Novella by D. Ryan Leask
For two days the storm has taken over the city, and two people's lives. A man convinces himself that his life is worthless when his lover leaves him for another man. Alone and depressed, he allows his life to sink into the bowels of civilization. When a wife and mother discovers that her husband is having an affair she abandons logic and gives in to the perilous abyss of jealousy and revenge.
Re-Launch Tentatively Scheduled for Oct 17th:
¦Goodreads - For All E-Readers ¦Smashwords - For All E-Readers ¦Diesel E-Books Store - E-Pub ¦iTunes - For Your iPad/iPhone/Mac¦ ¦Kobo - For Your Kobo¦Sony - For Your Sony E-Reader¦Barnes & Noble - For Your Nook¦Direct From the Author - Mobi E-Pub or pdf¦
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Tuesday, June 21, 2011

I'm no longer supporting or selling on Amazon

I should just warn you that this is one of those "Opinion Piece" blogs from someone (me) who did about ten minutes of research and fired pretty much off the cuff.  There are likely ten million arguments out there against what I am saying and likely even more denouncing the Huffington Post piece I have used as the basis of this.  I don't care, nor do I want to get in an argument from someone with a different opinion.  If you don't like what I have to say keep it to yourself and just ignore me and at least give me some credit for being honest about my ignorance!

The saying "don't bite the hand that feeds you" doesn't really apply here as I have eaten nothing from Amazon and before I make a single dime from them I have decided to remove my books.  Why would I sell my wares at a site that I have decided to oppose?  I am taking a stand damn it!

I recently read an article on The Huffington Post (be informed read the article!) about how Kindle/Amazon is being bombarded with junk eBooks.  This isn't the first time I have read about this.  There have been a number of articles about this phenomena recently.  According to the article Nook, Smashwords and others aren't having the same issues.  Two reasons according to the article is that either there isn't enough users of these services to warrant bothering with it or they are taking actions to prevent it.

Here is a (possibly cynical) look at Amazons Policy, red notes are mine:

Publishing rights are the rights you need to publish a book. To publish a book for Kindle through KDP, you must have obtained all rights necessary to publish the digital book from the book's author and any other content creators, or, if you are the book's author, you must have retained all of the necessary digital book publishing rights. -this is good


If you are publishing a public domain book, keep in mind that the duration of copyright varies between countries, so ensure that you indicate your territory rights accurately. (If your book is in the public domain in one country but not another, you must identify you territory rights accordingly.) Books that consist entirely or primarily of public domain content are not eligible for the 70% royalty option -because it doesn't belong to you and you are likely selling loads of crap for cheap so Amazon needs to make as much money from you as possible.  If they thought your work may have some value added potential they'd likely have a category for such stuff so you could receive a higher royalty, but they don't encourage that. For full details, terms and conditions see the Pricing page and Terms and Conditions.

If your book is under copyright and you hold the necessary rights for this content, select "This is not a public domain work and I hold the necessary publishing rights."

So big surprise that Amazon won't pay the higher royalty rate to junk (provided that the person submitting it checks "This is public domain work".  Another part of the article talks about how these junk books sell for $0.99 which is also a low royalty area on Amazon, coincidence?  If you want to sell your original book at $0.99 you have to compete with Private Label Rights content (fancy name for junk/spam books).  I don't think Amazon has any desire to stop this practice.  The believe they have the corner on eBooks, and they likely do, most people are buying "Best Sellers" which is likely a very high percentage of Amazon's eBook revenue stream and the $0.65 they make from every $0.99 book that is sold is just a nice bonus.  Why would they bother changing it? To help independent authors?  I bet the majority of the money they make from $0.99 books are from these junk books so why would they limit this revenue stream if the majority of people aren't even buying them?  I would say that if it becomes a problem or this revenue begins to dry up they will just stop allowing self publishing through their site.  Of course this is all just conjecture, speculation and a hint of doom.

Here is the last line from the Huffington article:

"This is why email spam has become such a problem -- it costs nothing," she said. "If people can put out 12 versions of a single book under different titles and authors, and at different prices, even if they sell just one or two books, they can make money. They win and the loser is Amazon."


Really?  I can't see where Amazon is losing, they made $1.30 from those two books, more than the "author" made.
Here is an interesting blog from "Writer Beware™ Blogs!" with Mark Coker, the founder of Smashwords.

Amazon has rubbed me the wrong way for quite a while and this is the final straw.  Support your favourite Independent authors through Smashwords, they format books for Kindle.  Go ahead and get your Nora Roberts and Suzanne Collins from Amazon, or better yet, if you haven't bought a Kindle yet, don't.  I ♥ my Kobo and many swear by their Nooks!

Thanks For Reading
D. Ryan Leask

Monday, June 20, 2011

Smashwords is NOT the Devil: Why you should not overlook publishing your e-book there

As you may have ascertained from my previous blog I was not very impressed with Amazon and although I did upload my book there I did so only because it is currently the #1 seller of e-books on-line.  I had originally planned on uploading to what I consider the big three:
  1. Amazon - aka Kindle Direct Publishing
  2. Barnes & Noble - aka PubIt
  3. Smashwords
I discovered in the process that B&N was going to be a pain in the ass as I would need to set up an American bank account in order to publish there, I also found out that if I made the Premium Library with Smashwords that they published to B&N so I skipped it.  I have nothing good or bad to say about B&N as I have no experience in that regard.

I was told by some people that there was no point in uploading to Smashwords, they (authors) had sold few books there and even went as far as saying that they were incredibly unprofessional.  This is a comment thread that made me almost skip Smashwords.  It involved (and was on the blog of) someone that I think is a bit of an expert on e-books (their text is highlighted).  (I will leave out names):
…My question is: how do I get this to Smashwords? They want a .doc file, which seems like a step backwards at this point.

Thanks for all your help!

It is indeed a step backwards. Everything about Smashwords is a step backwards.

The best way to go about it is probably to start Word and then open your source HTML file from within there. Word can interpret HTML files – it may require setting an import toggle – and the result may be fairly close to what you formatted. Once it is imported properly you should be able to save it as a DOC file.  I’ve never done this because I do not use Word and I also do not do Smashwords because I am completely dissatisfied with the quality of their output – apart from the fact that they generate zero sales and are thus a waste of time – but it should work in theory.
Thank’s **********. I had to tweak my HTML, but I finally got Word to open it.
I just looked at the Smashwords style guide, and I just want to scream now. I had perfect HTML with CSS and I have to reformat the whole thing again!? I have epub done, and I have to reformat it again!?


Yikes. That’s just too much (for now at least).
That’s why I keep telling people, forget about Smashwords. They are forcing you to a low quality output.
The style guide from Smashwords (which is free to download) isn't that bad and if you go through it and have followed everything you should have absolutely no problems.  It isn't any more involved than the steps I gave for formatting for kindle and when you are done the book reaches a broader group of e-book users.  The reason why Smashwords uses the *.doc format is for their meatgrinder which takes one format and literally pumps it out into the various formats that different platforms need.  This saves you from having to format your story differently for each reader and if there is a new reader or format change they take care of the reformatting for you.  This takes a couple of days to do as far as getting it into the premium catalogue, (mine was loaded on the standard catalogue on one day).  This process also stops a lot of crap from getting published, unlike Amazon where you can put whatever the hell you want up, Smashwords does it's best stopping people from plagiarizing works or posting public domain articles.  Color me impressed!

Formats Through Smashwords:
  • Kindle (.mobi)
  • Online Reading (HTML)
  • Online Reading (JavaScript)
  • Epub (open industry format, good for Stanza reader, Kobo, Nook, others)
  • PDF (good for highly formatted books, or for home printing)
  • RTF (readable on most word processors)
  • LRF (for Sony Reader)
  • Palm Doc (PDB) (for Palm reading devices)
  • Plain Text (download) (flexible, but lacks much formatting)
  • Plain Text (view) (viewable as web page)
If you publish to Smashwords your books can be purchased at:
  • Barnes & Noble -"Counting Down the Storm" was available after 1 week of being on Premium Catalogue
  • Sony - "Counting Down The Storm" Available after 1 Month
  • Kobo - "Counting Down the Storm" Available after about 3 months due to technical difficulties at Kobo
  • Apple -"Counting Down the Storm" was available after 3 weeks
  • Diesel -"Counting Down the Storm" was available after 1 week of being on Premium Catalogue
  • Scrollmotion (Provides for: Apple, Android, Windows Phone 7 and HP's WebOS) -Not sure how to check availability
  • Amazon -Someday soon hopefully will work too, saving me the trouble of having to go through them here.
UPDATE: With the exception of Amazon my book is available at all of the above locations! and more.
Uploading your *.DOC file to Smashwords

It's a pretty straight forward process as long as you have followed the style guide (have I made it clear how important this document is?).  I think I could pretty much skip over all of the details and go right to pricing.

There are three options.  Free, user sets price (not available for B&N) and you set the price.  Unlike Amazon the amount of percentage of royalties is not greatly effected by price.  Here is the breakdown:

Note that these calculations may be off by $0.05 or so.

You can play around with how much you make per book using the calculator here.

In the end I really like Smashwords, would love to publish and distribute only through them and am so happy to be paid though Pay Pal as opposed to check or direct deposit.

Thanks For Reading!

D. Ryan Leask

P.S. I have a new review on Carolyn Arnold's Ties That Bind on DRyan DReads!

Wednesday, May 25, 2011

How I Readied My E-Book For Publication

For those that follow me aka my D.ciples (too early to name my fans?) you are aware that I have published "Counting Down the Storm" as an E-Book (availability details here). It was a bit of an arduous process but I want to share what I learned along the way.
First of all I want to thank all of my twitter friends for helping me so much in the process. Some I will mention below but Steve Umstead (author of Gabriel's Redemption -BUY IT) and Karen DeLabar (one half of Have Coffee… Will Write) were extremely helpful in testing the formatting and Everett Powers (author of The Mighty T -BUY IT) answered my call to include an ad (for free) within my book.  Many others showed support in so many other ways.  I could devote a whole "First of all I would like to thank the academy" blog, but I will not.



Formatting For Amazon, Barnes & Nobles and Goodreads
 *First of all this is not a blog on editing or in document formatting, that is up to you.*
*this is merely set out to get you from your completed manuscript to an e-book.*
RULE #1: Always keep an original version of your work before you do any formatting!
The Following Steps are if you are planning on formatting to E-Pub(Nook) or Mobi (Kindle). Smashwords has another set of formatting criteria which I will cover a bit later.

THESE INSTRUCTIONS ARE ASSUMING THAT YOU USED MICROSOFT WORD AND PLANNING TO UPLOAD TO AMAZON.COM AND/OR BARNES & NOBLE.  IF YOU DID NOT I CAN NOT SAY HOW HELPFUL THE FOLLOWING WILL BE
First of all I started with Sophia Martin's fantastic blog on Formatting
There were a few things that weren't all that clear and it took a little trial and error, her notes on em-dashes (—) were especially helpful (alt codes to make symbols like the em-dash and the ellipses, …, can be found here)
Her notes on using the find/replace were a little off for my version of word.  Here are some extra instructions for my situation:

Sophia Said: -NEED MORE HELP WITH THIS STEP? SEE Guido Henkel's Guide Part VI
In your Word doc:
*NOTE: ≥ and ≤ have replaced > and < as I don't know how to make them show up properly 1. Find/Replace: In Find box, type ≤i≥Ctr + i≤/i≥ and in Replace box, put ≤i≥^&≤/i≥  . Replace all. (This preserves any italics you've got in your document for later--if you don't do this step, you'll lose all italic formatting.)

So apparently I am a moron. I actually typed in ≤i≥Ctr + i≤/i≥


This doesn’t work. Your find and replace window should look like this:


This is achieved by pressing Ctrl + i once in “Find what:” (Leave it blank) and typing in the other part and Ctrl + i twice.


Original Italic Text:
Looks Like This
New Italic Text:
≤i≥Looks Like This≤/i≥

Now working in Notepad.



4. Find/Replace all em-dashes with –


Select an em-dash from your document and copy it, paste it in the Find box, then manually type the two hyphens in the Replace box
I am going to play with fire and use a single — (Alt – 0151) instead.
 
Once I got into the J-Edit stuff I got really rather lost but perhaps because I was attempting to do more than Sophia was doing when she wrote her blog. 
One thing if you are using the KISS principle for your E-Book (not always a bad idea) there are some settings that you may want to note in J-Edit's find and replace window:

Change from "Keep Dialog" to "Regular Expressions" under the Settings Column

In an attempt to better understand some of the things Sophia was talking about I went to her source, Guido Henkel (Author of the Jason Dark Series) and the author of Take Pride in Your E-Book Formatting, a nine part series on formatting your e-book.  It sounds daunting however it is well worth the read as you will better figure out how to do a few things that he may not specifically mention.

Just be forewarned there may be a few things that Guido says that you may disagree with, he has a fairly strong opinion on all things e-book related so don't let it turn you off.  For example he says never use a word processor to write with, I saw balderdash! (yes I just said balderdash), we will learn later why you should when we want to format for Smashwords (another entity that he strongly advises against using that I feel strongly the other way for but this is not the time or place).  I would just go through this exercise for this time and figure out how to most effectively use your program for your next story.

So effectively you can skip part I and part II. Part III talks about what to use to create your html file.  I used J-Edit (download here) for text editing and Calibre (download here) for file conversion.
Thus you can skip onto Part IV.  This is where the understanding of what you are doing is key.  If your book has minimal formatting you can likely copy and paste his examples but if yours has things like centered text that aren't titles and image page breaks and other fancy stuff it's good to know the nuts and bolts.
Part V More details on the background
Part VI gets into the nitty gritty of what you need to do.  It talks about cleaning up your data and formatting special characters, I personally did this while on Sophia's steps above and did it in Notepad using the "Nuclear Method" (that's where you copy and paste from word into a simple text editor like notepad not wordpad)
Part VII has the header information that you need to use to properly format.  Some personal notes here.  I added a few more "p classes" by copying and pasting existing ones.
Each "p class" can have any or all of the following elements:

I define a paragraph as the part of text between and


text-indent: 0.0em; How far the first line of the paragraph is indented, generally set to 1.5, set to 0.0 or delete altogether for paragraphs you don't want indented

font-weight: bold; Do not use Italic here, instead as mentioned before surround your italicized text with text not sure about underline however.  Also note that text isn't suitable for text either.
font-size: 1em; This is a multiplier of the base text size. As you can vary text size in the reader this will vary with it.  If the text size on the reader is set at 10 then if this is set at 1.5 the text size on the reader will be 15
margin-top:5em; This is the number of lines above the paragraph
margin-bottom:2em; This is the number of lines below the paragraph
text-align: center; Just remove if the setting is left, avoid justify didn't try right, it may work.

When making new "p classes" give them a name that will remind you of what they are however avoid using "Chapter" in any form in the name as later you will need that specific one for creating a table of contents (ToC).  The ToC is a bit of a limiting factor in my opinion on formatting but a worthwhile one.
One note on centering you must use both the p class="centered" and span.centered as different formats will ignore one over the other

Header ie.
p.centered

{
text-indent: 0em;
text-align: center;
}
span.centered
{
text-indent: 0em;
text-align: center;
}
Body ie.

≤p class="centered"≥≤span class="centered"≥***≤/span>≤/p≥

Part VIII This is the fun stuff adding pictures however use them sparingly and don't bother with a front cover as it will be added in the next step.  I also found out that some readers do not display images.  I used a lightning bolt to mark breaks, the Kobo and Nook didn't show it for some reason.  I opted to use two different versions, one for E-Pub and one for Mobi where the Mobi had the imagary and the E-Pub did not.  Just make sure that the final product won't look incomplete without the images.

This is a good time to check your html file. In windows explorer/chrome etc search the file for & if there is an error with formatting you will likely find it doing that.  Also try with ; although hopefully you have a few of those that should be there (if not you may want to do some semi-colon research :D)

Before you complete the next part download the desktop versions of Kindle and Nook (if you don't own either).  I would also suggest finding someone who one one of each to have a quick look at the product before you submit it.  Don't worry about other formats because the upcoming Smashwords formatting will take care of other formats.  If you are uploading to venues other than the ones I did (Amazon, Smashwords, Goodreads, attempted Barnes & Noble but decided to forgo the hassles of a US bank account) you will have to defer to their instructions.

Part IX This is where Calibre comes into play.  It's a little frustrating that you find out about some of your formatting issues at this step as you have to repeat Part IX until you get it right.  First thing I (should have) did was made sure that I had my Synopsis somewhere other than just written into the comments in calibre.  Follow all of his steps to the letter then check the formatting, if it is wrong wipe it off, fix the mistakes and start again.

In the end you will have a folder with your name on it, inside that another folder with the name of your book then a few files.  The only ones you need to worry about are:
Your Kick Ass Book.mobi and Your Kick Ass Book.epub (The images are embedded in those files already)


FORMATTING FOR SMASHWORDS
I will write update this matter after my submission gets accepted for their premium catelogue.
I was quickly accepted into their regular catalogue. Update: After waiting a week then sending a quick e-mail to Smashwords I was placed on their premium catalogue.  There is a dashboard showing how long and when books are distributed. Further detail coming in new post later this week.First of all it should be your goal to get into their premium catalogue, they distribute to EVERYBODY and although Amazon and Barnes & Noble seem to be the top bananas right now that may change.  Smashwords won't take over but someone they supply to just might become the next big thing (hint: they supply to iPad) so do it right, the first time.




Here is a few things that I did.
I opened my html file in an internet explorer window and copied all of the text into notepad, then I copied it from there into word.  After that I downloaded the Smashwords Style Guide.  I had been scared away from it before I looked at it but I would say that it is a rather impressive peice of work and if you follow it to the letter your work should turn out.  Also if you wish to retain some particular formatting that you think is necessary read this
http://www.smashwords.com/distribution
It will likely tell you that any fancy formatting you would like to do (for instance I like to have an indent and paragraph blocks. Smashwords will automatically reject it and you will likely have to delay your inclusion in their premium catelogue to convince them to let you keep it or to redo it without. Another common thing you may have is a greater than four-line space.  Same thing, just don't do it.)

In the end formatting for Smashwords was the easiest and seeing what transpires when I hit their premium catalogue I may skip Amazon next time and just go with Smashwords Upon further inspection I realized that Smashwords is having technical difficulties distributing to Amazon.

Friday, May 13, 2011

Calling All #Pubwrite rs Free advertising for your e-book!

I am this ( || ) close to posting my novella "Counting Down the Storm" to Smashazonbles (That's Smashwords, Barnes and Nobles and Amazon).  Someone on twitter today mentioned about helping other indie authors by including each others synopsis in our books.  I think it's a great idea!  I have decided to delay the launch date for my own book in order to do this.  This is an open invitation to all of my #Pubwrite friends.

Here is some criteria before sending me your synopsis:
  • Have a look at mine (here) and see if you think a blurb about yours would fit, there's no point advertising a YA novel at the end of my adult oriented fiction or even SciFi/Fantasy etc.
  • Your e-book needs to be currently for sale at Amazon, Barnes and Nobles and Smashwords, the three stores that I am going to sell through.
  • The synopsis should be short, about 150-200 words, don't worry about editing, formatting  etc, I can do that. 
  • If you have a good quote from a review you would like me to include as well, that would be cool too, for example:
    • "The Greatest Piece of Modern Swashbuckling I have Read." - B. Beard, Pirates Port Magazine
    • Try to keep it to a sentence
  • Another option is if you think the first 200 or so words of your book would draw the reader in and force them to buy your e-book that would work as well.
  • Send it to me via E-Mail (Twitter DM me), Post it as a comment in this blog or whatever
  • If I get multiples I will pick the one that I think would best work with my book, don't feel bummed if I don't pick yours.
  • As payment?  Nothing.  Big publishing houses pimp their other authors all the time, this is just doing the same thing.  The next time you publish something do the same for someone else.
I will place your blurb at the end of my book on it's own page and have it available in the Table of Contents.

I will give people until Wednesday May 18 to submit a synopsis.  I will let you know either way if I will be using yours.  If no one submits one or I don't feel any of the submissions would work out I will go ahead and post my e-book with out it.

I hope this is the start of a really great thing for Indie Writers!

Thanks for Reading

D. Ryan Leask

Wednesday, April 6, 2011

I Miss Type Writers

Well, not really but in a way they were really the best word processors as far as readability.

I recently bought a Kobo after looking at the screen for about 5 seconds.  It is a nifty device that, wait for it...

IS ONLY AN E-READER

Wow!  What a simple concept, a device that only has one purpose.  I don't want to go on a tech rant here but I am really sick of "Swiss Army Knife" technology where one little device does everything imaginable but whose original function is all but lost, like a cell phone for instance, I swear to god that one day someone is going to come out with a cell phone and forget to include calling features.

Now don't get me wrong, these all in one devices are very handy to have but they can't replace everything.  Digital books are a great example of technology that should have taken off much sooner, why didn't they?  No one wanted to read a book on their computer screen and I can't blame them.  Could they read them on a phone, hell no, you would lose your mind so eventually someone was smart enough to stand back and say, "Wait, we need a device that is like a book."  Bingo!  I think we need more single function technology.

So where I am really going with this is that if books are hard to read on a computer screen why then are we still using them for word processing?  Someone needs to come out with a Kobo type device for writing.  Could you imagine how wonderful it would be to type everything out reading it as you used to from your old type written pages without having to then re-enter it into your computer?

Anyway, that's my writing thoughts for today.

(I Really Need a Fancy Sign Off Phrase)

D

Wednesday, March 9, 2011

Writing and Giving It Away For Free

Earlier I had posted about Kindles and a thought I had had of giving all the rights to Counting Down the Storm to them for free. Still thinking about that. Today I saw a twitter post that read:

Would we have had Shakespear, if he'd had to write for free? (part of a link to this article which is not what I am discussing here really)



Tis true but it would be exceptionally difficult for a man in his era to have access to media that would showcase his work without having someone who paid him. Today is not the case. I have to admit that at this stage in my writing *cough career *cough that exposure and having people actually read what I write, like you kind folks for instance, is far more important than any kind of financial reward. I am willing to give things away for free. Even if later on down the road I have to fight to get what is rightfully mine it is still worth it, that fight could very well be the publicity I needed anyways.

Here's the thing. Whatever I do write and post online is more or less in the public domain and very unlikely to be touched by any reputible publisher. That's okay with me. Maybe one of them will see something and wonder what else I have written.

In the end does it really matter? I have a day job and I highly doubt that I will ever be lucky enough to not need one. I want to be read and not because I have some ground breaking philosopies to share or because I think I'm important, I want to be read because I want to entertain people, and I want to entertain people to give me purpose for my writing. Lets face it no one (without major psychological defects) would write fiction if they never believed anyone would read it.

So this post is probably all over the place because I keep getting interupted but what I really want to say is that I am going to just toss out my story "Karma is a Bitch"

Start Reading it Here

Thursday, March 3, 2011

Kindles and Other Such Electronic Reading Devices (ERD)


The Reader’s PerspectiveI haven’t personally used an ERD and have only tried to read a novel on-line once, it was terribly hard on the eyes, I know that the new technology has fixed all that and the devices do seem pretty slick but I can’t see myself getting one.

Call me a little bit old fashioned but I like the look, feel and smell of a book. I like the feeling of turning over a page or rustling through the pages trying to find a passage that didn’t make sense until now.

Searching for my bookmark or folding over a page to mark a spot seems like a burden to some but to me it’s all part of the experience. I also like to pick up a book at a store or in the library and look it over, flip through a few pages, read the back, read the flaps it’s kind of like shopping for a car, after all you are going to be spending a few intimate hours with it.

The Conscientious Citizen’s Perspective
If ERDs replace books completely it would increase illiteracy rates world wide as most of the World’s population does not have access to necessary technology let alone something as luxurious as an ERD. Books are hard enough to come by. Things like libraries would have to completely change how they do business and would likely not be able to keep up. On one hand it would reduce waste tremendously as well as reduce paper usage if we stopped having hard copies of our daily newspapers and everything else but in reality the loss would far outweigh the gain.

The Writer’s Perspective
Fuckin’ Eh! I think that these things are the last great hope for the written word. I wondered ever since the beginning of the personal computer how long it would be until getting books electronically would be the norm. Books are getting increasingly expensive and less people are buying them and reading them, if ERDs become reasonably priced and getting books because incredibly easy I think more and more people will start reading again. I think much of the younger generation embrace anything technological and view books as archaic. I personally am going to try to give my little novella to Amazon to have for free for their Kindles, just as an experiment. I will likely fail in trying to do that but what the hell.

I think all writers (except Nora Roberts, James Patterson, Stephen King, Stephanie Meyer, J.K. Rowling…) need to embrace this technology and try to get in while the technology is still new if it isn’t too late already.
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I would be really interested in the opinions of any other writers on this, weigh in please!